124 – (see 124, 125, 126, 127)
Bean seeds, a true test of my faith, 08Apr
ugh… so I know it is said that being a Christian is hard… well being a Christian and a scientist worrying about bean seeds is not the trial I thought I would have as a major conflict…but I do… ugh…
I tried really hard to both defend my science AND my faith tonight at my neighbor’s book club – they waited until my return from my trip to do THIS experiment because they knew I didn’t believe in it…the experiment is to project my energy to one half of the green been seeds to grow faster than the other… wrong to me on so many levels…
One could say I have a golden opportunity to demonstrate real scientific knowledge base (because the 1960’s quote in the book about plants having feelings was totally debunked by MY OWN professor mentors in grad school, a Science paper detailed the flaws..) but how to not offend my great neighbor? She really so wants me to do this experiment and prove that i have the power over the plants – if I had that I wouldn’t have been in grad school for 7 years…. ugh!!!!! the experiment goes against every scientific bone in my body – and then all those spiritual juices too…
I know she knows I am both a scientist and a Christian – and I have shared this amazing spiritual growth with her and she also is a Christian – she (as well as me) could certainly be called “a bundle of energy”… my best friend says I don’t give myself enough credit for being my own force in the universe… Cuz I really do think I am good force in the universe… and I know the power of positive thinking… but i have always credited my good energy, good upbeat personality and positive influences on an amazing combination of my parents and family upbringing and the pure Grace of God and my appreciation of the Grace of God… always…
and now ever since my amazing spiritual growth of accepting Jesus as 100% real, instead of being 50:50, I have seen an explosion of blessings… I am trying to give everything up to God… I have seen small miracles, seen repair to my spiritual life, working on repairs to so many things, I have dropped at least one maybe two pants size losing weight in only three months…if that’s not a miracle, I don’t know what is…I even fasted with NO problem Good Friday! Actually did about 36 hrs before I said, maybe I should eat something…my stress eating is practically gone, it creeped up lately, but I know the signs, and reach out for gum or a pen top for my mouth to chew instead…
Sigh…. what am I going to do… these beans… fruits…
I was planning on just laughing it off – but I think that is not good enough for me today – I have to act – hmmm… I will have to pray, definitely, how come I can’t give up this worry to God as easily as everything else? Why do I fear ruining a friendship? Or appearing to be ungrateful to a neighbor, when by worrying I’m really being disrespectful to God…
Will I tell them that i will plant the seeds, but leave the rest up to God….? Hmmm….Will I give it up to God, but then lie that I really did the experiment they asked? lie? Hmmm… Will I “accidentally” forget to water them? Hmmm… Will I purposefully send my “energy” towards their plants to make then all grow the same? Hehe… Will their dog eat the whole experiment? Science says this is a bioassay… there needs to be a HUGE sampling size, we don’t have that anyway, so not even a scientifically sound experiment…
The quote that goes with the experiment:
> “Don’t worry. Be happy.” Bobby McFerrin… yeah I found that really annoying in the late eighties too… even if I believe it, sing it, it can still be annoyed right? Hmmm…
The author says “To change your life for the better, you simply connect with the power of the universe and then step back and allow it all to unfold with ease and grace.” Yeah, well I connected, and God said “stand your ground!”, “You have a double reason to not throw your whole self to the trash…”, “walk straight, be real, spirit and truth….” most importantly, trust God… I left the meeting to get my daughter from scouts, pulled up right behind this car, bumper sticker reads “in God we trust” yup… going to have to give it up to Him… I can’t turn my back on Him now…
I know they will not shun me for not doing the experiment, like them, I am being silly… but peer pressure is real, whether it has major consequences or not… and maybe just maybe they will feel MY dilemma when that look at their own beans… at least they protested when I said that my prayers would be wasted on beans when I should be praying for health healing for my friends… they say there are no wasted prayers… so maybe I am planting seeds of faith not beans in this experiment???
I am giving it up… You got this one God? You got the biggest bioassay going anyway…
Maybe God will surprise us all… only God knows… It’s your experiment God, have fun…
125 – emails about Beans Experiment (see 124, 125, 126, 127)
here is a cool conversation with a multi-million book seller author… go figure!! Instead of stressing how l was going to tell my super nice neighbor that I didn’t do the green bean energy experiment, I decided to write the author instead to vent my concerns for science and for God.
… I have/had her ear… she did not address the scientific issues (yet – she probably won’t) but we were having an interesting God conversation none the less… What God is up to I’ll never know but it certainly fun being part of the show… hey that rhymes 😉
have a great day! Start reading from the bottom. I emailed, she replied, I emailed again, she replied, and I don’t think she will reply to my 3rd, last, email….but who knows… her replies are a bit fluffy fur me, but oh well, at least I have a good story and a good witness to why I gave the whole experiment up to God…
> ———- Forwarded message ———-
> From: “debbie > Date: Apr 14,
> To: “P
>> Rome fell… and many religions are sadly failing to hold up to Jesus’ greatest commandments. All roads should lead to God… There are good intentions in many church people, but that “not judging” aspect is hard for so many… Jesus’ greatest commandment was to LOVE. And even though by default, that means not judging… people do forget that, sadly. That’s what keeps people from coming into church, they don’t want to be judged (there is a really fitting seminar I attended about this : xxxxxxxxx)
I was just in the Czech Republic, King Charles the 4th, Holy Roman emperor in the 1300’s, would probably say all paths lead not to Rome but to Bohemia! But even with hundreds of gorgeous cathedrals, drawing millions of tourists to gauk at the gold, the czech people have mostly no religion. My Czech relatives are half Christian and half atheist. (I had an epic journey to meet them after we reestablished connection after over 50 years of lost contact).
I would call myself a “recovering Catholic” having lost my religion when I married outside my faith to (God-forbid, LOL) a Methodist. I do enjoy the Methodist church I attend, and religions are important to give structure and teaching in the basic principles of faith, but it is one’s spirituality that fulfills. It’s one’s own faith that will sustain you for your life.
And, it is in the one on one personal connections where two or three meet that I find God the most… in those wonderful intimate conversations about faith. When you compare the mega churches, were the people never even get to meet their pastor, to our small community churches – where not only does your congregation and pastor know you, they know how to connect with you individually…well it’s clear that connections are key. I myself (with this amazing recent spiritual growth) have about 12 pastors on speed dial… it’s awesome… but even so, it’s the simple small connections that I make to others, adults and children (and child-like souls of special needs individuals) which are the most fulfilling… where the joy amplifies… and where I see that being a child of God and a humble servant like Isaiah and especially Jesus is where it’s at!
I know you are so busy, and I truly appreciate you taking the time to answer my email. Your book, and my neighbor’s life improvement club, have been true tests to my faith, showing me where to draw my faith lines and not fearing standing up for God (and for science too!), and opportunities to witness to them how God has enriched my life beyond my wildest dreams.
I hope and pray you have a good support system. I will continue to pray for your good fortunes and writings… I would love to see a book about YOUR faith journey some day… I will send you mine when I get it published… I would love to share a couple pieces with you if you would like.
Blessings and God’s Grace always.
>> On Apr 14, 3:30 AM, “P wrote:
>>> Hi again Debbie,
>>> I remember what a Catholic nun once told me. Only 2 things Jesus really said: “forgive” and “don’t judge.”
>>> All paths lead to Rome.
>>> Have a beautiful day,
On Apr 13,, at 9:15 PM, debbie wrote:
Hello, when i saw that your website said that you have email pile the size of Mount Everest, I said “Really God?” Throw Mount Everest in there? How fitting… because this year our Vacation Bible School theme is “Everest – Conquering Challenges with God’s Almighty Power!” Well I’m said, ” I know God can move mountains, as he certainly has done in my life, so, let’s see if my God of Mount Everest can reach her email Mount Everest!” LOL – God came thru!
Thank you for the kind words of reassurance. I am so glad that you realize that you are a God-led being – and I can easily see that you have been blessed immensely in your success. Truly i see that my neighbor Kim, who is a HUGE fan of yours, has already achieved a positive personality and her family and her friends have been blessed by her uplifting spirit and zest for life! She is extremely generous with her time and resources – and also has the desire to share that joy of life with others. And even though I don’t know you, I appreciate that you appear to intend to uplift your readers, so thank you for that.
As you can understand, I have not been thrilled with the “experiments”, looking for certain kinds of cars is ok, and actually i have been doing that experiment for years, finding Subaru Foresters .. But specifically I was not able to do or believe in this green bean experiment, let alone the coat hanger one. It never entered my mind that this was a proper outlet for my “energy”… and Yes, I did stress over how to approach this conversation with my neighbors, both before the experiment and also in preparation to the explaination that I was planning to give next week – about my objections, but mostly concerned about their misguided faith. And I hate to appear rude or condescending… by criticizing mistrust in something that doesn’t seem God-led… Of course I know they would easily accept my unwillingness to put myself into this experiment, they are nice people after all – no harm no foul – but still, i want to explain to them both the scientific and spirit-led reservations i have.. And i have been determined to tell them that i stopped stressing about the situation by giving that stress up to God. Life is HIS experiment, not always ours… God is not the co-piot – He is the pilot…
Scientifically, I am concerned about your use of a quote and the concepts of de-bunked “experimental results” that plants have ESP and feelings. I still question this of you because you didn’t address it from my first email. Either the lie detector test was a display of scientific control incompetence OR sensationalism (and i can even see now an image in my head of Uri Geller faking bending spoons on the Tonight Show with Johnny Carson…). I believe it was the former, bad experimental design, so how much research, I curiously ask, did you do into this debunked set of work?
Spiritually, if i did try this “experiment”, i would be turning my back to not only my scientitfic upbringing, but also to my strong faith in God. And i must tell you of this awesome spiritual growth i have had recently where i have a newly-expanded faith in Jesus as real and in Jesus’s teachings about God… and WOW – i have been truly blessed since then!
Jesus and God give true hope… As Jesus took on the role of a servant to bring people back to God, we too must try to give people real hope.
I only yesterday participated in a Sunday school lesson on 2nd Peter, warning about false prophets…and used Uri Geller as well as the green bean experiment as examples of a false prophet. To put it plain and simple, I feel the bean “experiment” gives false hope.
Another great example to live up to is the servant role taken on by Isaiah I can see that the role of the servant to bring people back to God is a crucial one repeated in the bible BUT, i see that one needs to be humble to be a servant, have energy yes, but one must appreciate where the true energy source comes from… this energy is from God.
So I hope you continue to turn to God for your future writing just as I have turned to God with an amplified result of great joy. I too have been writing… I had begun this writing as my processing of how God is stirring people around me and working in my life. At some point I’m sure I will publish them, but now i share with about 100 close friends. My writings (over 100) have been both meaningful to me as well as to others who can appreciate the corrective action God has placed on me to turn my head around.
>>>> So I will always try to humbly tell of the real hope that the true God had brought me as opposed to false hope that false prophets may throw your way. It’s NOT gonna be easy…. I know that you can’t please all the people all the time, but you have to stay true to God’s word.
Good luck in all your future writings.
Isaiah 50:4-9New International Version (NIV)
>>>> 4 The Sovereign Lord has given me a well-instructed tongue,
>>>> to know the word that sustains the weary.
>>>> He wakens me morning by morning,
>>>> wakens my ear to listen like one being instructed.
>>>> 5 The Sovereign Lord has opened my ears;
>>>> I have not been rebellious,
>>>> I have not turned away.
>>>> 6 I offered my back to those who beat me,
>>>> my cheeks to those who pulled out my beard;
>>>> I did not hide my face
>>>> from mocking and spitting.
>>>> 7 Because the Sovereign Lord helps me,
>>>> I will not be disgraced.
>>>> Therefore have I set my face like flint,
>>>> and I know I will not be put to shame.
>>>> On Mon, Apr 13, at 11:09 AM, P wrote:
>>>>> Dear Debbie,
Thanks for your thoughtful email. God is definitely my copilot, as well. I may use different terms (God doesn’t care–he’s definitely not the judgmental prick many believe) and I my see him differently. But my highest goal is to be connected always. I believe He (I’m using the masculine pronoun because that’s probably how you would see it, right?) created us to continue to create Himself. So I believe we are meant to use this energy that is of Him to his greater glory.
>>>>> I just follow His instructions.
>>>>> Hope this makes sense.
>>>>> But just so you know, God is my boo.
>>>>> Giant blessings,
>>>>> On Apr 10, at 5:31 PM, Debbie wrote:
>>>>> > Message: please let me comment in concern not total criticism… Please tell me your true spiritual feelings about God and his power. My favorite quote of the day is “if God is your co-pilot, you’re sitting in the wrong seat.”
>>>>> > I have to wonder how you can sometimes talk about God in your book but much of the time have experiments which circumvent HIS power and replace it with personal power. I know I have energy but I also know it’s from my upbringing and God working through me… my neighbor, who is running our book club, loves your books and she truly is an energy source… but the coat hanger experiment which “worked” for her one time then failed to “work” the second time for many if us is indicative of false hope placed instead of true rigor.
>>>>> > As for the green bean experiment, my PhD in plant biology scientifically will prevent me from believing that I could have power over the plants… if I did it wouldn’t have taken me so many years to get through grad school, haha. the lie detector test with the plants has been debunked years ago, please see science paper . So one doesn’t even have to bring God into this question but I will anyway and say “how do i turn my back on God and believe I have the power over the plants?”. Yes, I am already an energetic person and yes, I do think that my thoughts change the world… my world… but I will never negate the power of God in shaping me to be who I am. I am concerned about those people searching and being misled and then having great disappointment when their energies don’t fulfill their desires…
>>>>> > Thank you for your time… please contact me at the attached email.
>>>>> > Refs: Kenneth Horowitz, Donald Lewis and Edgar Gasteiger. (1975). Plant Primary Perception: Electrophysiological Unresponsiveness to Brine Shrimp Killing. Science, 189. pp. 478-480.
>>>>> > http://www.nytimes.com/news/the-lives-they-lived/2013/12/21/cleve-backster/
>>>>> > Time: April 10, at 5:31 pm
126 (see 124, 125, 126, 127)
Thanks again, Pastor, not only for the UMW march presentation, but for how this scripture you taught at the meeting from mark 8 fits perfectly for the issue of the author who wants you to believe that you have power and energy over green beans…and making coat hangers move just by your mind… and wow, when my neighbors urged me by saying “you just are afraid to show yourself that you have the power to do this…” Well, that felt like the serpent tempting Eve!!!!… whew…!!!
“what good is it for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul!!!!”
Wow, spot on advice then and especially now!
127 (see 124, 125, 126, 127)
Beans in God’s Subaru, 16APR
Hmmm..guess which beans are mine in the photo… I gave them all no energy, or at least not differential energy took dune and not others… but the stress about explaining it to my neighbors I gave that it up to God…thank God…
They all did the energy vs no energy, and saw no difference….hmmm… not surprising to me. Sorry about that false hope folks…
The best was they all agreed they didn’t think I would actually do the experiment, cause I had already told them my science and faith…and I have been real honest about my faith to them, how could I not credit God for my high energy!
And yes they were suitably impressed that I wrote the author and she wrote back, twice…
But if you are as amazed as they were about how tall mine grew compare to theirs, don’t be…. as much as it made me smile, at the end I told him the real difference why my beans grew three times as tall as theirs… it was because I grew them in my Subaru 😉 it’s a greenhouse of warmth and good stuff happening in that Subaru.
God bless the Subaru 😉
God bless giving it up to God !
24 How many are your works,Lord!
In wisdom you made them all;
the earth is full of your creatures.
25 There is the sea, vast and spacious,
teeming with creatures beyond number—
living things both large and small.
26 There the ships go to and fro,
and Leviathan, which you formed to frolic there.
27 All creatures look to you
to give them their food at the proper time.
28 When you give it to them,
they gather it up;
when you open your hand,
they are satisfied with good things.
29 When you hide your face,
they are terrified;
when you take away their breath,
they die and return to the dust.
30 When you send your Spirit,
they are created,
and you renew the face of the ground.
31 May the glory of the Lord endure forever;
may the Lord rejoice in his works—
32 he who looks at the earth, and it trembles,
who touches the mountains, and they smoke.
33 I will sing to the Lord all my life;
I will sing praise to my God as long as I live.